DNP Ep. 36: The Journey of the Cannabis Nurse

Sandra Pagenta: [00:00:00] Hi guys, welcome to the doctors podcast today. I have a special guest. Ashley Grimes is a BSN RN and the founder of cannabis nursing solutions, LLC. She’s an advisor to the cannabis nurses of color and the author of a children’s book in 2021. She was chosen for Baltimore business journal leaders in healthcare and native to Baltimore. She is dedicated to empowering patients and nursing professionals to make informed medical cannabis care choices with impactful education and medical programs. She serves to promote diverse representation and medical equality in cannabis. She has experience as a registered nurse for over 12 years, and she has a bachelor’s degree from Coppin University and a master’s degree in nursing education from town, Sydney university. She has a certification in professional development. And as a certified lean Six Sigma black belt, she has [00:01:00] worked in various healthcare settings, including telemetry quality improvement and professional development.

As a nurse and she’s responsible for pioneering non traditional cannabis patient care programs in Maryland that offers standardized approaches to dispensing cannabis for nursing professionals and children in schools. Welcome to the doctor nurse podcast.

Ashley Grimes: Thank you so much. You made me sound so important.

Sandra Pagenta: Let’s dive right in and let’s get started with kind of what your current job title is and what you do on a day-to-day basis.

Ashley Grimes: So I, I work for myself right now. I am the owner, CEO, marketer, social media poster. I’m everything for cannabis nursing solutions. I recently quit my job in 2020.

I was working in quality looking at crunching numbers and things of that nature. So and that’s so exciting, but it did allow me to work from home for the last year I was working there, but anyway, I digress. So day to day, like I’m constantly looking for new nurses to bring, [00:02:00] to educate them on cannabis medicine.

I’m constantly trying to empower the nurses that I’ve already worked with. So that way they can be more comfortable with talking about cannabis medicine, educating their patients about cannabis medicine, and finding ways for them to make money. Like that’s literally what drives me every day.

Sandra Pagenta: Take me through your journey to how you got to this specific spot in your career.

Ashley Grimes:  It’s been a long one, so I actually wrote a book about it. It’s an editing right now is called stigmatize. It’ll be out in the next month or two. But you know, long story short, I worked on the floors, just like every other nurse. When I graduated from my nursing program, they said, Hey, you need to go to med surge.

So I was like, okay, I’m going to follow instructions. I went to med. I worked there for quite a while ahead, some great experiences. I met some great people and then I had some not so great experiences and traumatizing experiences and anxiety written experiences too. And of course I moved around.

I went from so I think I stayed at my first job for about four or five years. And then after that I started working on my master’s degree in nursing education.

Sandra Pagenta: Was this the [00:03:00] MedSearch job that you stayed? You stayed out for four to five years

Ashley Grimes: When I went to go get my master’s degree, I moved around, I started floating and I had like three different float jobs.

I mean, true to nurse fashion. You find a million jobs and you work them all. And that’s what paid from it. Most of my master’s degree or took care of as well as doing my master’s degree. And then when I graduated, I ended up doing a transition to practice program. Once new nurses graduated from their degree, I was the one who was helping them.

Sandra Pagenta: I think those are called like residency programs. Yeah.

Ashley Grimes: Yeah. Yes, there’s a residency program, I will watch them basically just making sure that they were okay.

That’s where I discovered professional development. Understanding that I love nurturing new nurses, young nurses, people who are learning to people who are, who are trying to grow. And they weren’t all areas of the hospital, they from ed to ICU. So I understand every aspect of the hospital, even if I didn’t work there, like I know what it’s like to be ICU nurse.

I know what it’s like to be an ed or med, surge after that, at that point I was considered hospital leadership. Which I didn’t realize it at the time. I just thought I was [00:04:00] babysitting new nurses, and then I ended up going to corporate and working as a project manager in the corporate office.

I was the only nurse there. I was the only brown person there. It was very few females in that environment. So definitely. Interesting experience to say the least. And it just had a lot of bumps and bruises along the way, but I didn’t learn a lot just about how systems run looking at the hospital from that just you know, to caring for a patient point of view, but the overall perspective that makes the hospital.

Sandra Pagenta: So, what were you doing in that professional role and that leadership role from babysitting nurses? So you go from baby seat nurses to now what’s your role. Describe to me kind of what you were doing in that job.

Ashley Grimes: I was responsible for a running projects, I’ll say it like that running projects to make the hospital money.

So one of my projects for example, was to implement a cardiac stent into the surgeons. List of supplies, I guess.

Sandra Pagenta: And so almost kind of like a drug rep, but for the stent,

Ashley Grimes: no, I was supposed to [00:05:00] help manage the drug reps. You see what I’m saying? Oh, okay.

Sandra Pagenta: Okay. Okay. You were managing the drug reps that were trying to push the stint to the new cardiologist, Right?

Ashley Grimes: So I had to help compare and contrast the cost and then they would help me compare and contrast the quality.

And then we had to work with a supply chain and help bring it in. So really, really, really my job was to save $1.4 million.

Sandra Pagenta: By using this new step.

Ashley Grimes: Yes. That was my job to figure out how to like, get the best quality for the best dollar and then push it out amongst all 14 hospitals.

Sandra Pagenta: I think that’s really interesting actually, because a lot of nurses might think, oh, okay.

So I can only work at the bedside or I can only do this. But when you hear about nurses and how, again, what our skills translate into other jobs here, you are like helping create. Almost like a quality improvement, project you’re pushing through a hopefully better stent that actually costs less and is going to cause less [00:06:00] patient mortality and morbidity.

Like there are all these factors that we actually get to play a role in because of the fact that we are at the bedside. We do understand the whole process and there are very little holes that we need to fill. And I think that’s really neat. And I think that’s also a really cool aspect to your career that hopefully another nurse can hear about.

I didn’t even know I could do something like that. Yeah.

Ashley Grimes: They pulled me in just because I was a nurse. like I said, I was babysitting nurses at one moment. And then the next moment I’m in this whole corporate environment where they’re like, we want you here because one you’re diverse too. You’re a nurse and you come with this clinical experience.

So we want you to do these things or, exert your opinion here. So we, we think you’re a valid.

Sandra Pagenta: Yeah, that’s really cool. During this process, you said you were getting your master’s degree or you just finished your master’s here.

Okay.

Ashley Grimes: So by the time I got to the corporate professional role, I was already like two or three years post my master’s degree. So worked a couple of years in that transition to practice program.

And then I went to the corporate job. Then I spent two years there [00:07:00] and at this point I’m working in this corporate job, I’m making the six figures, right? Like most nurse nurses are like, I wish, I wish I could make the six figures salary and here I am, I’m making it. And at first it was fun.

It was exciting. It was overwhelming. You know, I was a little fish in a big pond. It was 14 hospitals. I was trying to push, these ideas and procedures and policies through, you know what I mean? It was a lot. And I was like, I don’t want to do this. I was like, this is not going to work for me.

This, this just cannot work.

Sandra Pagenta: What was it that you didn’t like?

Ashley Grimes: Well, one, the expectation was to work about 50 hours. Yeah, so, and I also have two small children. The other thing is, so you heard me say really my job was to say at 1.4 million, So that was the priority amongst all the other things.

So you listed all the quality factors. That for me were the priority because I’m a nurse. Like I care about the trickle-down for the patients. So it was a lot of like friction in a way that I saw things. So you brought me on because I’m valuable because I’m a nurse. But when I exert my opinion [00:08:00] from the nurses point of view, that was never really valued when I expressed it.

Sandra Pagenta: That’s interesting that you say that because I think that. What you’re describing is exactly what a lot of nurses are starting to see in the hospital right now with like COVID and how they’re treating nurses. And this trickle down effect from the hospital administration where nurses don’t feel like, are the patients even the center anymore?

Like, what are we doing here? When companies bring us on and they have to realize that like, Truly the reason why we went into medicine. The reason why we do our jobs is because we do care about people genuinely. When you then start creating this dynamic between cost and patient care and patient outcomes, the nurse is gonna always pick the patient outcomes in the patient care aspect.

And so you’re almost asking us to operate outside of our gifting and our hearts, it’s almost like our, our convictions are this, the patient care. And now you’re asking us to put money before that, and we’re just not designed our training. Doesn’t teach us that. Right. We’re trained from the [00:09:00] moment we were baby nurses to put people above all else.

Ashley Grimes: And that’s pretty much why I do what I do on a day-to-day basis. Altogether, it might be in, this is probably where you’re going with your next question, but it may seem a little counter intuitive that like I decided cannabis to be medicine, because of the stigma being a business owner, now the money does come first.

In order to run the business, you have to have the money to do it. And I see it now. I see the why behind the money, driving certain aspects of things. But I looked at there’s a way to find balance. When I described my business, yeah, I talk about cannabis being medicine, but really is cannabis creating this, this alternate opportunity to make money and alternate opportunity to care for patients in a way that we don’t traditionally see it, an opportunity to release yourself from hospital systems.

So that way now you can help create your own instance.

Sandra Pagenta: Yeah. So take me through, when you decided to go ahead and start your own thing, cause you’re getting burned out from this corporate job that you’ve got.

Ashley Grimes: I actually worked in a as a clinical coach between the corporate job and the transition to [00:10:00] practice program. And that was just. Fun. And I also talk about that in the book, like a lot of bullying, a lot of like, you know, kind of crazy culture. So when I left that job, I actually took a two week hiatus.

So because when I switched from the transition to practice program, I didn’t take any time at Friday. I left that job Monday. I went to the next job . But then when I left the eight month job, the clinical coach job I took two weeks off when I took two weeks off. Let me tell you something.

I have never used my PTO. I never like knew what it was like not to be working. Cause like I said, I was getting my master’s degree. I was working three float pool jobs. I was, you know, like I had my two children like I was constantly, constantly, constantly going. And when I took those two weeks off, I was like, hold on, wait a minute.

Like people can choose what they do with their day. And I didn’t even know what to do with my time. I didn’t. I had no idea what to do. So that was just the first taste of like getting sort of this freedom of choosing what I got to do with my own body, my own time, my own space. And when I went into that six figure job again, I went, went and went, [00:11:00] went because I was excited.

But then when I started to realize. It’s not as exciting as it seems, and this is not how I can spend the next 20 to 30 years of my life. I’m still young. I’m in my thirties. I decided to explore, I started to research. I started to like learn different things. I went through a period of time where I thought I was going to start up.

It was called the Yogi journey, right? Like I had gotten to yoga during those two weeks off. It was life changing. Right. And it’s like, wow, you know how amazing this thing, like, I’m now feeling my body. I’m paying attention to my fingers, my toes, the simple things , like, it’s crazy. How often do you don’t pay attention to it.

Sandra Pagenta: So you were discovering that you had margins and that you were operating so close to the edge that you didn’t even have time. And I just got done having a conversation with another nurse about the same thing.

You didn’t even have time to breathe, to focus in on the breath, moving in and out to focus in on. The tension in your shoulders and these things, a lot of nurses are describing to me that they are so busy and so worn out that [00:12:00] they are ignoring what I call the little whisper inside of you. The little thing that’s inside your soul that tells you slow down.

Pay attention. And we just get so distracted by all the noise and all the hubbub and all the activity we’re creating that I believe there needs to be a recent hearing of people to the little quiet, still voice that tells you, you were meant for something else. You are not meant to do this. That’s kind of what I’ve found and I’ve, and I have these conversations and discussions with nurses is that they have these pivotal life changing moments where.

Like you’re describing, you started listening to the fact that you’re like, this one is nice. I don’t need to be crazy. What can this look like? What can I create? That will give me a balance between both.

Ashley Grimes: I like the way you put that. That is beautiful.

Sandra Pagenta: But I spent a lot of time talking about this developing concept in my mind, because I’m trying to look at the themes, the things that are common and then the threads that are [00:13:00] common in everyone’s story. Everyone describes that moment that you just had. And so in these two weeks when you’re processing through, oh my gosh, I need margins in my life.

Take me through what your next steps were.

Ashley Grimes: So we started to research. I started doing research on just different things, like just holistic medicine. Like I said, I had gotten into yoga. So it really just kind of yoga was the door that opened my awareness to a lot of other aspects of what health and wellness is, you know, like what tree homeostasis means things that nature.

So I discovered cannabis. I went to a training and. It was across the country. And I was like, oh, this is an interesting. I went and I learned about the endocannabinoid system and I was like, whoa, wait a minute. Like, what is this whole system that we know nothing about?

Sandra Pagenta: Yeah. So what did you learn?

Ashley Grimes: So the endocannabinoid system is the largest neuro receptor system in our bodies and it is responsible for homeostasis.

A lot of people attribute it to cannabis, just the, the plant or just smoking weed. [00:14:00] But there are a lot of ways that you can impact it. Exercise, yoga, being one of them, meditation, all those kinds of things.

Sandra Pagenta: I believe I heard that breast milk actually interacts with the endocannabinoid system with babies.

I believe from what I’m understanding, again, very basic knowledge that it, it it’s because the milk and the consistency or whatever in the breast milk works on the endocannabinoid system, which I thought was incredible.

Ashley Grimes: So we actually have two cannabinoids that live in our body. They’re called endocannabinoids and they’re released through the breasts. Yeah.

Sandra Pagenta: That’s what I heard. You were just saying you, you went on this two weeks, you’re learning about endocannabinoids.

You’re learning, like what is the system? And yeah, it’s opening you up.

Ashley Grimes: Yeah. So I just decided everybody else needs to know it. Like I was like, how am I going to tell everybody about what I know? So in. Project management fashion. I sat down and I organized everything and I had to systemize it. So when I was sitting down with my patients, I would know exactly what was here and it would be like streamlined and all those things.

And I started doing like putting [00:15:00] out there where I was doing consultations and everything like that. Just, friends, family, things of that nature. And what I realized, or what I figured was that I needed more people to do. It could just be me. So I made it into like a class format and, you know, I just put it on a PowerPoint slide and put all the little documents that I created for myself.

You know, I make them available to other nurses and I just started like, just telling people. Come to my class for a day and I made it super, super cheap. So that way anybody can get it. Cause I don’t feel like nurses should have to pay for it even though I’m being otherwise.

Sandra Pagenta: So what does your program teach nurses or other healthcare professionals?

Ashley Grimes: So it starts, it talks about the history. It talks about the cannabinoids, you know, little facts like the, breast milk and you know, the endocannabinoids and it talks about. You know, just generally plant genetics but then implementation, it’s a nursing practice. So treatment care planning anybody can use it in any area. if you’re interacting with a patient who chooses to consume, can you assess that patient properly? So that’s pretty much [00:16:00] it in a nutshell. And then after they’re done, they can get X or an opportunity to sell a product and get commission off of it. So you know, what is your product? It’s not mine.

It’s actually associated with a large hospital system in my state. So they are looking for nurses to be able to. Offer the patients a solution. So what we decided we partnered up and I was like, Hey, I teach these nurses and they’re like, we will need educated people to talk about the cannabinoid adjunct therapies.

So why don’t we give them money? Just sell it. And I’m like, yeah.

Sandra Pagenta: What does the product do for the patient and what type of patient are you marketing this to? So what’s the patient population that you’re marketing to. And what does it bring about the, the product that you’re selling?Can you, can you name the product?

Ashley Grimes: Yes, it’s called Caribbean CBD.

Sandra Pagenta: Okay. Caribbean CBD. And so what does it offer, who are you offering it to and then what does it do for them.

Ashley Grimes: It is for anybody who suffers from sleep [00:17:00] insomnia, anxiety or pain.

And so because all of the nurses who have gone through my training are from different areas, specialties. They can market to whoever their patients are. The gain for me is that it gives them. More motivation to talk about cannabis as an option for their patients and being able to assess them properly.

So if that is something that they need and need to get relief from, they can, they have something that they don’t have to invest more money in. They don’t have to a whole bunch of product on hand. It’s super easy for the patient, that kind of thing. So really just taking that nurse through, I’m interested, I’m learning and I’ve learned, and now I can do something. It can be the way that it helps fund their freedom if they take that money. And that’s how I coach them. You know, like if you make $2,000 a month, take that money and invested into whatever it is that you want to do to fund, get you where you’re trying to.

Sandra Pagenta: Gotcha. What have you seen in your treatment process of patients? Are you seeing people being affected by the CBD? Is it a [00:18:00] CBD oil or CBD capsule or liquid or.

Ashley Grimes:  And they have gummies. We usually stick with a tincture, cause that’s usually medical grade.

We try and stay away from the more smokeable forms. Although it can be something that patients need just because of the, the quickness of the relief. So really cannabis medicine is, is an individualized medicine. And everybody can benefit in different ways. So sometimes it’s a combination of cannabinoids or methods of consumption that is needed.

This product though is, is really cool because they don’t have to get a medical card for it. It’s totally legal. It takes away that extra barrier of trying to access it. Most people who reach out who want cannabis medicine are suffering from. That’s the number one reason why people ask or are at their wits end or, you know, frustrated.

They don’t want to take opioids cause they hear all about the criteria or they are taking opioids and it’s just not. So you know, when they’re [00:19:00] talking to providers, we’re not offering them the vast array of solutions. We just only offer them opioids. So this is just another solution that these nurses can offer.

Sandra Pagenta: One second. Okay. Hey baby. It’s okay. I’ll be right there. Okay. Sorry about that. Yes, he’s too. But go ahead.

Ashley Grimes:  Yeah, so mostly we’ll reach out for pain. And yes, if they are using it intentionally, they do see results. Yeah. And this, and the other thing about this product is that it’s very fast acting, whereas like most CBD products are liquid based and it doesn’t absorb as quickly through the body.

Everybody that I know that have tried this product and has like, I slept well, the pain is gone, like period, so,

Sandra Pagenta: wow. That’s incredible. What are the drawbacks of taking this CBD therapy that you’re offering?

Ashley Grimes: It does, it has an effect on the liver. So definitely monitoring interactions with the.

Sandra Pagenta: Other medications.

Ashley Grimes: Yeah. Yeah. Especially like with opioids, if you’re [00:20:00] taking CBD and opioids at the same time, it can increase the amount and amount of opioids in the In the blood and it can increase the risk of overdosing on the opioid. So definitely bringing down the amount of opioids, if you’re going to be increasing the amount of cannabinoids and different medications as well because they cause CBD binds to different receptors in the body.

And it’s, it’s a lot of our hormonal based medications also bind with those same receptors. So it blocks in that way. So just be a mindful of those kinds of things, which is why healthcare providers need to do. Part of this. But I think that’s the biggest one. I mean, most people, the other thing that people kind of shy away from CBD for is because some CBD contains THC in it.

And if it shows up in their bloodstream, then they may not qualify for the job they want . So but there are isolates out here. Really for the maximum health benefit, having a combination of all the cannabinoids is most optimal.

Sandra Pagenta: For my own edification, the indoor cannabinoid system and the drug and the CBD that your [00:21:00] company offers is that, gee, does it have THC in it or is it, it does.

Yeah.

Ashley Grimes: Yeah. So it has very small amounts. So the legal amount of THC that across the county, That you can ship and do everything is 0.3%. So, and this company actually, they adhered to the 0.3%, but then they also take advantage of Delta eight THC and some of their products.

So it’s a it’s a. Very chemically, not through process that I’m not aware of. I’ll put it that way. Got it.

Sandra Pagenta: Got it. There’s things that are going on at the manufacturing level of the medication. Gotcha. Very cool. So give us, as you’ve been going through this journey, and now that you’re teaching nurses about the endocannabinoid system, you’re teaching.

Nurses and other healthcare professionals. And I’m assuming patients as well, how to use , safely these medications that can help mitigate pain sleep and all the other things that there might be dealing with. What is, as you’ve been going [00:22:00] through your career, what would you say has been a really big challenge that you’ve had to overcome?

Ashley Grimes: Just the general stigma, because as soon as I say the word cannabis, like people either shut down or their eyes light up because they used to smoke weed back in the day or something, you know what I mean? And they already have this like, preconceived notion about what they think I’m about to say to them.

And even if I say something that he’s acted opposite, they still think. You know I’ve had people get mad at me because I say that cannabis is medicine after he had people shy away from me, just because I say that I educate about cannabis. They’re like, oh, cause you smoke weed all day now.

Really, I know, you know, like, so just all of the assumptions that are made based on the media stigma, the messaging that went out, you know, back in the eighties and nineties is your brain on drugs. Cannabis is a gateway drug you know, the war on drugs, you know, we got to condemn it, whatever, you know, whatever the mantra is that you play in your head.

Sandra Pagenta: What is your response when people say those things? So.

Ashley Grimes: In my own personal growth that I’ve learned that not everybody’s going to be willing to hear what you have to say. And just being okay [00:23:00] with that is not here for you to receive, but you do know that I exist in when you’re ready to receive it.

You’ll probably reach out down the line. I mean, we have more than 30 states that have legalized cannabis. So I mean, it’s hard to not hear about it in the media. So at least.

Sandra Pagenta: Give me any time that you felt like was a really big win.

It was a peak. It was, this is, this is a good moment for us or for me, or for my family or whichever.

Ashley Grimes: I have actually had quite a few. So I have really, really low lows and I have equally high highs. Like that’s just kind of where things have gone for me, but I have to say what I was acknowledged as an honoree for the Baltimore business journal, 2021.

And then the realization that in 2021, I actually wasn’t high times and Baltimore business journal, which are completely opposing media. Like, I was like, wait, who does this? So that was super cool.

Sandra Pagenta: Yeah. Awesome. And anyone mentor you along your career journey? Has anybody come alongside and just said, [00:24:00] Hey, like, you know, let me help you build this thing that you’re building, or let me take you under my wing and teach you about professional development.

Ashley Grimes: A lot of people, I have some very key people that have kind of come and gone and stayed in LA. You know what I mean? Like I, I ha I have a lot of people I can list out, like the person who hired me for that transition to practice program. If I can put it, she is. I’ll do anything for her bend over backwards for her, because that was a key moment where I was a staff nurse and then transitioned into leadership and she mentored me throughout the process.

I remember feeling a lot of culture shock when I first went into hospital leadership and she was able to kind of help me shift my mindset and helped me kind of move in confidence that she was also a fellow fellow brown woman. So we shared a lot of You know, the issues with confidence in a lot of ways.

It was, I mean, I’ve had people help me with my writing, throughout the years I’ve had the person who nominated me for the [00:25:00] Baltimore business journal, like definitely is a key person. And one of my favorite girlfriends, I actually met at one of my jobs or favorite person to talk to in this moment.

She, she mentioned me every single day. Yeah, she is. She is a person who reminds me that I am actually a, you need to remember that you’re Ashley and you need to walk in this purpose that you got, that has been placed before you and keep going.

Sandra Pagenta: Yes. I love that. Yeah, that’s so true. So what advice do you have for a new nurse who’s starting off in her career that you wish you would’ve known when you would have gotten started?

Ashley Grimes: I wish that I would have known to just be patient. I think that a lot of us tend to be very driven individuals and I thought I was, I needed to go somewhere. I needed to do something. I needed to be like the superstar, like things had to be perfect. Like. And I think that’s, that’s what contributed to that?

Go, go, go mentality. Like I had to get my master’s degree. I had to get to the six figure I had to get here and get there, get there. [00:26:00] And I think in a lot of ways I checked out, like I wasn’t in my own body when I was on the floors, like I’m here to care for people. And I was allowing like the pressures of the job.

Not let me care for people the way that I care for them best. I’m a very empathetic person, but because I wasn’t present, I probably didn’t show that empathy for a lot of patients that I care for. .

Sandra Pagenta: That’s, self-awareness, that’s pretty good. So the last part of the interview is the rapid fire question.

Oh no.

oh, this is a good one. Do you recycle, are you recycler? No. No. Sometimes I’ll be honest. I don’t recycle sometimes I don’t. I just

Ashley Grimes: don’t. Okay. I mean, I do take my boxes, but I do get them out to on recycle day, but like, I don’t have a separate pin or anything.

Sandra Pagenta: All right. And then what’s the best age to be 23. You think? 23 and, oh, this is, I like this one. What do you say when you answer the phone? What’s your greeting? Hello?[00:27:00]

Ashley Grimes: Well, it depends. Am I answering for my business or am I answering my personal phone? Just answering your phone when you say I say hello. Yeah.

Sandra Pagenta: Hi, I don’t, I don’t even know how I do it. That’s a really hard question.

Ashley Grimes: It was a close girlfriend. Be like, Hey girl.

Sandra Pagenta: Oh my gosh, Ashley. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing about your journey and how you are growing your business. And hopefully educating more nurses and other and patients to be free themselves. Where can people find you if they’re interested in kind of what you’re doing right now, and they want to possibly see if they can learn from you?

Ashley Grimes: So I’m on Instagram and LinkedIn, but Instagram is easiest to find me. So as cannabis nursing solutions you can email me gratitude. I cannabis nursing solutions, LLC. DEC. Or on my website, which is www.cannabisnursingsolutionsllc.com

Sandra Pagenta: Okay. Wonderful. Well guys, check her out, and, remember to enjoy the journey. Yes.