DNP Ep. 57: The Journey of Clincepts

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: Welcome Dr. Nurse podcast, Josie to the podcast today. So happy to have you on.

Josie Tate: Yes. I’m so excited to be here. Thank you so much.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: Yeah. I’m so excited to talk about everything that you’re involved in and how you are gonna just absolutely take over the nurse and nurse practitioner, world of helping them build their resumes and yeah.

Really create the life that they want. And I believe it’s is it pronounced cleanup cleans? Yes. That’s your business and your platform that everyone can find you on? Correct. Yeah. Yes. So let’s go ahead and dive right in and tell me a little bit about what you do on a day to day basis.

Josie Tate: Yeah. So as the, as a nurse entrepreneur, I am the creator and CEO of CEPS and I help nurse practitioners get happily hired.

That’s my tagline emphasis on happy. I offer solutions and strategies that helps them with resume design and creation, interview prep [00:01:00] and contract review. Basically getting them. Set up from the beginning. So they have a strong, strong start with their practice and that’s what I do.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: So that’s your side hustle gig, right?

Okay. Yes. So full time. What do you do and what are, yeah. What are, what are, what are all the hats that you have pots on the, on the stove? Yeah, so.

Josie Tate: Yes. So lots of things cooking, cuz , I’m a nurse entrepreneur, this is my side hustle, but I also am a nurse practitioner. So little back backstory on that.

I started out as , an NP and family practice in a skilled nursing facility. So I worked for a hospitalist group and rounded a facility worked through COVID. And I say all that with past tense, because I am taking a break right now. How some people kind of take a social media break or they do like a dry month and no alcohol, or, they remove like the.

To remove that toxic friend who’s,[00:02:00], just not pouring positivity into their lives. For me, that was work, again, pull my COVID card out, work through COVID and I just need a break. So I did, I stepped back gave my notice, , I told you on my birthday where I’m gonna feel most fierce and I just stepped back.

And so for all of all of July, I was off and. I’m off now and when the time comes, yeah, I’ll go back. But I resigned fully, on my own, it wasn’t something that I, did , like asked to resign? No, I just full out said, thank you for the opportunity. I really appreciate being here.

I enjoy the experience, but here’s my notice. And so I up and quit and I’m doing this and I’ll go back again, at some point.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: One of the things that kind of came up to the surfaces you were talking was kind of what was the catalyst for you to just go?

I don’t wanna do this part anymore. And I want. To pursue my own business. Was there a catalyst there? Was there a moment? Was it just [00:03:00] working through COVID that you were like, ah, I need a break. Cuz a lot of nurses I know will resonate with just that alone. But was there a catalyst, was there something that you experienced that you thought I gotta step back from this for a little bit?

Josie Tate: Yeah, I, I wouldn’t say it was like one particular thing, but I would say it was, it was kind of a combination of things. It was definitely the pandemic, I’m hearing, all of these moms, like, oh, I have to, like, I have to help my kid with their school. And , now I don’t have daycare, I don’t have, I have to help them with everything.

You still have to do work and you still have to do, all the other things in life. But for me it was that pulling of, that as well as there’s something bigger that I need to do. And I wasn’t able to do it if I’m fully involved in work. Yeah. , 150%, again, I loved what I did.

I love my job. I love being a nurse practitioner. , I love taking care of patients, but at the same time, I want to. I wanna live for me. I wanna do what I wanna do. And so I think stepping [00:04:00] back for a moment and pursuing my passions, I think that was kind of the main thing, , and if I have the support of, my family support support of my husband and I, I just say like, why not?

And why not be? Why

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: not now? I agree. I love that because one of the things that I find in life is that the salary. That you get paid for a job is the price that you pay to let your dreams go, right? Like, it’s just like so easy to take that paycheck every week and to not check in with yourself and to kind of feel like, oh, well, it’s fine.

This is what I have to do. And there are, you do have to provide for your family. So I know that there are people that are like, listen, I’m a single mom. Like I don’t have that option. Or, I, my husband doesn’t make as much money. And so I have to do a level of this to keep our family afloat. And so of.

, those are all reasonable and valid reasons to keep going back to work. But at the same time, for those of us that can either step back a little bit, or even just rearrange things, [00:05:00] you can actually begin to create space and by creating space and creating margins, you can actually begin to dream again.

You can actually begin to allow those creative juices to flow. See, I am, I, I can’t offer more to the world than just what I’m doing at my job. Mm-hmm and what I found really interesting was that I just didn’t believe that about myself. When I had oodles of time. I mean, I was work. I was didn’t have children.

I didn’t have a husband and a house to care for. It was pretty simple, low rent, all these different things and. Didn’t use my time wisely. Right. And so I think sometimes people don’t like to admit that like, oh, well maybe I should. I should have been paying more attention to these things earlier.

And so that’s why I wanted to, to come on and have these conversations with people. Because if you are a single woman who doesn’t have kids who doesn’t have a husband or a home, like it is time now to start building, it’ll never be any easier because when you do get the responsibility and, and of a home and [00:06:00] family, it becomes a lot harder to chase these dreams, these things that might be bottled up inside of you.

That you’ll go, oh, I just want to. Do more than what I’m doing. It’s not impossible. It’s just exactly. And so it’s just a little more sticky, exactly. A little more messy. I think it is definitely a good reminder and definitely something to keep in the back of our mind that it’s not impossible.

It’s just, it gets a little more complicated. being a mom and being able to be present with your children. I don’t believe children are burdens. I don’t believe that children are this thing that we have to do. I think it’s a thing that we get to do as moms.

And so it is It, it kind of bothers me when I hear people say like, oh, I have to take care of my kid. And it’s just like, no, it’s such a blessing that we get these children for 18 years to mold into scope and to change and to help grow into the best person that they can be. And by setting aside things to prioritize your family, There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I think it is [00:07:00] the most important thing you can do with your life is to look back and say, Hey, I made this person feel super loved while I was on in their life. And yeah. I just think that’s really important for, for moms to do so. I think it’s awesome that you’re, that you’re mom and your yes. Doing your own sad hustle and you’re just taking a break from stuff and.

I think it’s also, yeah, very, very admirable of your husband to step up in such a way to just go, I got this, you go and do the thing that you feel called to do. Cause that’s, that takes a level of, of yes. Bravery and, and Manliness that I think is kind and loving and, and wonderful applause for bay. So how did you get to this specific spot in your career? Kind of walk me through, you started, you became a nurse, you went to nurse practitioner school, and again, you’ve kind of gotten to this spot through different, times and journeys.

If you could just walk me through how you got.

Josie Tate: Sure. I mean, I can lead you back all the way from, till I [00:08:00] was a young little girl. And it wasn’t really like what led me, down my career path, it was more like who, and for me it was. My parents, how some parents kinda live, like vicariously through, a, a child.

And I wouldn’t say my parents did that a hundred percent, but I would say that they definitely guided my paths and influenced my ways, like my toys, my activities, the stories they told me, like, I distinctly remember , being young and playing with. Paper hats and making them, like your nurse hat and wearing them.

And I, I, I don’t even know how to make that now, but I, I definitely remember playing with that. And with my mom, she’s from the Philippines and she always wanted to be a nurse. But didn’t have the funds didn’t have. , the opportunity didn’t take that, take that opportunity. She had different priorities, , she was one of the oldest kids.

So supporting the family, that culture that’s definitely big in that culture. And so, there’s four I have four other siblings or four siblings and of [00:09:00] the. Of all of us. I’m the only one that went into the medical field, grew up as a military brat. My dad was in the air force and he was in the medical field, his whole career.

So, To be influenced that way. I think they were a very strong driving force in my life to become a nurse or to pursue, medicine or to be in the medical field. So I would say they definitely played a huge role in what I did. And the, the career that I selected or was selected for me , I think parents are strong.

Parents are very good at that. They can see, the characteristics and traits and strengths that you have and they help guide you. So I definitely think they pushed me in that way. So, I, I, right after high school got my Degree. Got my bachelor’s and then just, worked on a med surg floor.

And I know med surg gets a lot of, a lot of grief, but I love med surg and specifically I like medicine, not the surgery and it was a general [00:10:00] medicine floor. So it was. All the medicine, like all the medical, no surgeries. I can’t, I don’t really like surgical patients like that. The pre-op fine, but general medicine was for me then I did, some float pool for a little bit.

After I started having kids, we talked about just mother motherhood and that changes you. And so after I became a mom, I cut my hours back a little bit at a time and I took positions and jobs and roles that fit. , that fit my life. So I only worked, when my husband was off and I would cause we didn’t, we even put our kids in daycare until, our first one was like maybe two, one or two or something like that.

I mean, it was later cuz I wasn’t working a ton. But I was grateful for the opportunities that I was able to, get my favorite one and the one I most enjoyed was cardiac rehab and that job. . I mean, it was all, all chill, Nori. It wasn’t like ER, ICU cath lab. , a lot of my background is in cardiac.

But cardiac rehab. Nobody’s calling you [00:11:00] for, emergency an emergency cardiac rehab session to get on the treadmill and watch their heart rate. , like I was off on weekends and holidays. There were no nights, no calls.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: You’re just like I can enjoy every single holiday and have like a normal job. It’s like a shift. I just remember when that happened with me. And I was like, oh, for sure. Why was I working that busted job? It just changes you. Never going back to that again.

Josie Tate: I found that job kind of early on and did that, , at the 10 year mark, I started my NP school. , did that journey. And again, like I was pregnant with our third child when I took my boards, I was like seven months pregnant.

And I knew like I don’t wanna start my career, and my kid, my kid’s lives kind of competing. So I took a step back and I, waited a year almost nearly a year before I even started looking for jobs. And, I, I knew what I wanted. I knew the type of schedule that I wanted or the flexibility that I I wanted to have.

And so that’s why I, I selected and went with the, sniff [00:12:00] or post-acute rehab position. It was something that worked for me, worked for my family. The pay was amazing. The support was amazing. So I wouldn’t have traded it for the world the way I did it. So. , kind of going through that that’s, , kind of brings me up to the nurse practitioner part.

But as far as like the entrepreneurial journey and what led me there was, I think by way of the pandemic, again, Skilled nursing facility, long term care. Yeah. Basically nursing home during the pandemic, unless you lived under a rock, like nobody was sending grandma and grandpa pop into a nursing home unless they had to be there.

Right. So our census was low. Like if our census was low, patients are low. Only the crucial crew was there, the healthcare essentials essential personnel. So there were no students, there were no clinicals. There were no, there was no such thing as precepting. So, but I had like one student who we were able to kind of like get under the radar and.

I loved doing that. It kind of brought me back to my precepting days, as an RN. And I [00:13:00] loved it. I loved being able to teach new grads, students, new hires, new employees. I love that. And that’s what kind of lit me up. , I, I. Was not able to be with my, my student for very long, cuz again, it was a pandemic how she even got there, definitely a God thing so, and it was very like, I was like, this, this isn’t not, not gonna last very long.

And so I had to pivot and be like, if this is something I wanna do. , but I can’t do it. How am I going to find a way, this is kind of a challenge. I mean, COVID is synonymous with challenge, but it really structured the way people change, how they do their business, and for me, Challenge is just an idea board.

So it got me like thinking like, Hey, what can I do with what I have to serve? The people that I wanna serve, which was new grad students, right. New grads and students student, nurse practitioners. And so for me, that was, I could do, maybe kind of come up with something and do something online.

And help with, like an online clinical site or get with preceptors. Then I CA , it just kind of came to [00:14:00] me, like if I could do this online and reach more people online than this one to one, Kind of precepting idea. I could reach more people doing clinicals and being a preceptor.

And that’s kind of where the name concepts comes from. It’s like clinicals and precepting kind of combined and just get super focused and super, niche and helping new grad students with non-clinical aspects. And that’s with the jobs, I am one of my strengths and something that I’m really good at is grammar.

Writing , I would review people’s, like papers in school, and help them kind of write. I’d be like the second pair of eyes for people that, had like a speech to do or, a website or, an about. Page just to kind of help them with, Hey, does this look good?

Does it sound good? Does my bio need a little bit more info? And , if I can use my strengths with that, like why not help other people, why not help? Nurse practitioners? Sell their stories so they can have a [00:15:00] fair shot at starting their careers. Yeah. And get paid for it. Like why not and why not me?

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Dr. Sandra Pagenta: I was thinking, Are these techniques and these things that you teach your students or people that are looking for your help, is, are those things that you were implementing throughout your career? Did you find that it was easy for you to get jobs?

Did you find that as long as you kind of set those work life, balance boundaries and, and limits, did you find you [00:16:00] still were offered jobs? Cause that’s something people say like, they’re just like. I don’t believe these things exist. Like, I don’t believe you could find a part-time nursing job and I’m like, yeah, you can.

Yeah. Yeah. You can you just like, I just believe that it’s true. Right. And so, because I believe it’s true. I tend to find them a lot more than people that are like, it doesn’t exist. I’m like, okay, that’s fine. I know they do.

Josie Tate: I don’t wanna, like toot my own horn, but if you’re asking me yes. Is that something you’re good at? I, I would say yes, like, I, I I’d say I am good at helping people with that. I did, if I could do it for myself. Yeah. I could do it for you,? And I didn’t just do it like.

Once I’ve done it throughout my whole nursing career. Like I can get you more money. I did it for myself. I mean, I remember, starting out, I started out with that cardiac rehab job, kind of as at the end, but I went through the hospital system and went through different positions within that hospital system.

And it kind of trailed me everywhere. I went, and it wasn’t like 10 different positions. It was like four or five, and they would say you’re the highest paid nurse. For [00:17:00] this specialty, like how like I’m not sure like how that happened. And in my head I’m like, well, I asked and I, like they said, yes, I mean, there were some strategies that I used with that, but you won’t get things if you don’t ask for them,?

And you do have to look for things. , if you’re doing everything, if you’re doing things the way everybody else is doing it, don’t look like everybody else. Then you might not get the results

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: you want and you’re gonna look like everybody else. Right? Exactly. Everybody else is miserable and burned out and tired.

Josie Tate: In my career, as a nurse practitioner nursing career, and even as an entrepreneur, I came up with, a three word alliteration, I’ll start with B. So you can remember, but the beginning, the belief and the balance. The beginning of your nurse practitioner career, if you think back to your RN degree or your in career it was hard, the beginning is always hard.

And I think for me, it’s, it was the same way both as. Nurse, as a nurse practitioner and an entrepreneur , you’re, you’re trying to figure out, where [00:18:00] you fit, trying to figure out what to do, all the different steps, how to be a success. It’s just hard. The transition streets are rough.

You feel like, that you’re alone and you feel there’s no one else out there. No one else is doing this thing that you’re doing, whether it’s being an entrepreneur, trying to start out, how do I set up my LLC?

Or how do I get started? , just getting clients. The beginning is very scary. , you just kind of really going into that.

And then the balance, I think the balance for me is also the toughest. You’re wearing lots of hats.

Yeah. You got a lot of pots cooking on the stove,? And how do you keep track of that? , you just gotta,

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: prioritize if you don’t burn anything. Make sure

Josie Tate: that you exactly, and if you, if you do, just flip it over and serve

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: it, the you’re bunch of mom,

Josie Tate: I’m not even lying. I made my kids some pot stickers yesterday and that’s exactly what I did. I just flipped it over. I, I baby, just eat that side. Yes

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: And

Josie Tate: he ate it, whatever, but yes. , if it’s one thing it’s anything that I learned [00:19:00] in practice and in business, it’s that you, with balance, you can’t be all things to all people all the time.

all on your own, but you can with help, you can with help, but you can’t do it all alone. And that’s, one of the things that I’ve, I’ve really learned and come to grips with.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: I liked You’re saying the beginning, but I want you to touch a little more on the belief.

What is the belief system that you had to cultivate into kind of mine inside of you to bring forth the, the idea that you can do this, that again, I love Gary V. He’s a super intense social media guy and he’s wine guy. And he’s just amazing. I just think he’s brilliant. And he always talks about like getting over yourself, doubt, getting over yourself, rhetoric of, I can’t do it.

And, and how did you, how did you. Decide I’m going for it. Like, how was that done? I think my toddler is here. Is that my toddler? Sorry, baby. Just [00:20:00] like throws the door open. Like he owns this place. He’s so hilarious. He does. He does. He does. his world. We’re all living at it. Go ahead. Go. Exactly.

Josie Tate: So what did I, what’s the belief system that I had to kind of overcome that I.

The fear, just fear of what, people may think fear of what you don’t know. , in both both aspects, there’s that kind of imposter syndrome. Like I’m not good enough. , you have doubts about yourself or about what, what could be. , but if you never go for it, then you’ll never know, what could be.

And for me, I, I have a very strong faith based just internal belief in a higher power, I believe, this, this is where I’m meant to be. In both realms as a nurse practitioner on a break and being an entrepreneur and helping other, other nurse practitioners. , because , I feel best when I see others succeed, whether it’s in their healthcare or whether it’s in their personal life, if you are good, if you do good, that makes me feel good.[00:21:00]

And I think that’s, that’s where I’m called to be. That’s my call. I know you refer to that too, as like you’re calling and that’s, where, where you should be. And I truly believe this is where I should be and what I should be doing is helping others. Yeah. In this real. That I think it’s just really just doing it, taking that leap of faith and just go out there and doing it.

If, if there’s, if I ever took on a project or, I waited, I am like the procrastinator queen, I will put something off and put, put something off until it’s perfect, and perfectionism is just a disguise for, Every, yeah. And so, once I set my mind and my feet to do something, I’m all in like, no stopping me.

I’m gonna go big, go big or go home

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: I think one of the things that I notice too, and a lot of people describe as the fear of failure and there’s this idea that, You, what if I fail, what if this doesn’t work, which is why I love bridging with part-time. I love people to bridge with their full-time job, get [00:22:00] the little pieces started and whatever it is they wanna create. And again, it can be a t-shirt business. It can be, resume helping people with their career. It can be Gosh, what have I had on I’ve had guy doing the guys doing, investing in tax deed and they use their nursing career.

They leverage their nursing career. Mm-hmm to allow them the freedom and the flexibility to create and to build something for themselves on the side. And what I love about that is that it keeps you with a level of job security insurance. So that if you, if this isn’t something that works now you’re restarting with experience, right. If I do fail, I don’t wanna go all in chips, take everything, poker style, I’m all in. You can do it that way, but sometimes it’s wiser to just go like, all right, I’m gonna play the game a little bit, keep my foot into this world in case things don’t work.

And then I can pivot. And then as again, as you start noticing that the thing that you’re building, the thing that you’re growing is, is kind. Taken off, then again, you can back [00:23:00] down on the other work. If it is burning you out. If you’re absolutely in love with your hospital job, then keep doing that.

Like, I would still encourage you to do something on your own because being diversified is the best job security. Period point blank Punto the end. That is the way to, to make sure that you are, hedging your bets because you wouldn’t just wanna invest all in one stock. Why don’t we don’t, we don’t recommend that we’re like keep a diverse mutual funds.

Like we’re very into that. But then for our careers, we’re just like, I’m all chips in when this one hospital and it’s like, dad don’t do that. Like have little side things. And if it’s not your own business, it can be working for a nurse practitioner that needs help doing whatever. , another little business that you’re like, Hey, listen, I’m gonna just do this on the side.

And I just think that that’s a big one that comes up a lot is the fear of failure. And so don’t be afraid to fail, especially if, again, you’ve got that insurance, but also. If it doesn’t work, you can always start over. And now you’re starting with experience.[00:24:00]

So anybody along the way help you with your career, anybody just kind of get you going if you had any mentors. Cause that’s one thing I noticed in, in nursing in general in business there just isn’t a lot of mentorship to, for others. So. Anybody help you or you’ve just been a lone Wolf, just a Wolf pack of one.

Josie Tate: No. So I, I don’t think, again, just kind of referring back that you can’t do it alone, I’ve had, like I said, in the beginning, my husband, he’s very supportive. He’s also has a business mindset. So he’s my business partner. He’s my go-to. He kind of helped me get started. , other mentors would be my brothers.

I have a brother who is an entrepreneur and he’s very successful. So, I’m able to lean on him for like, Hey, , here’s my idea, ? And from there, he is like, okay, well, what’s the business plan? I’m like, what, what do you mean? He’s like, this is, this is it. He’s like, no, you, you need a business plan. You need like all the, you really have to outline it, like how you’re gonna make money. I’m like, ah, okay. ? And so he really walked me through [00:25:00] that’s right. A lot of things. And then my husband, on the tech side helped me do everything.

And then there’s resources like within my state, I’m in Pennsylvania. And so there’s, with the small business association, I was able to get mentors for free because the state wants you to build a business. And so I was able to meet with the lawyer, get set up with , an account.

That’s cool. It’s kind of a referral system able to ask questions and they kind of give you direction and guidance in how to build a business. So I think, reaching out to, yeah, just the free resources that you already have within your state. They’re able to really give you a lot of information and kind of guide your way.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: Because news flash, the library’s free. There’s this place where you can just go wri information and learn how to do stuff. Like, are you kidding me? Wait, it’s free all over the country. We’ve got them everywhere. If you’re like, I don’t have that kind of money, literally walk to your local library and rent a book, or the Libby app is incredible. You can listen to audio books for [00:26:00] free on your phone.

And so again, like what you’re saying, just reaching out to these free resources. If you have people around you pick their brains, like these are things that you can be doing, practical things you can be doing to get you started as you were kind of. Going down this path of, I think I’m gonna think I’m gonna bust out.

I think I’m gonna start something really small. For the last question of the podcast, it, I would like to know if you could go back to Josie like brand new nurse Josie or new nurse practitioner. And you would tell her about her career that you would want her to know. You wish you would’ve known at the start of your career.

Josie Tate: So I would tell, , my younger me the new nurse practitioner me that the market is not oversaturated. Like oversaturation is a mindset competition is, I mean, it’s different. I I’d say. It’s a it’s it’s a manifestation.

Like when you live with the mindset that the market’s oversaturated, you act that way you [00:27:00] limit yourself, you act out of desperation, but when you live with the mentality that the job market is competitive. And usually you’re, you’re competing against your yourself. , you’re trying to show out your you’re trying to show up as your best self you’re just it’s, you’re manifesting.

What’s there. You’re you’re gonna act differently. You’re gonna be more prepared, you’re, you’re gonna feel more confident. So I would say to toss that, like that, that belief. Out there everywhere that I’ll never get a job or, when, when you think that way, the jobs that you do get, you just get and you make it work instead of the other way around, like, it’s, you don’t have to live a life of desperation and fear and this kind of limiting mindset.

you can have these jobs that are, Kind of push jobs that are, are paid well.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: I like two things that you said in that the first bang you’re in competition with yourself.

And I talk a lot about that on my last podcast episode of the podcast episode that came out this [00:28:00] morning about. When you’re looking around at other people, you’re not focusing on yourself and you’re probably your biggest issue in getting a job, right? Mm-hmm like, it’s your junk that you’ve gotta work through to be hireable.

I love that you are talking about cultivating an abundance mindset versus cultivating a scarcity mindset. And I have heard other nurse practitioners say that market’s oversaturated. You’re not gonna be able to find a job. And I have a hard time believing that as well. Like you’re saying, I know that there are certain markets where that is the truth, that there’s a lot of nurse practitioners compared to the quote unquote jobs that are available.

However, I also believe that if you’re in those areas, you need to be very creative with how you find work. Right. And so mm-hmm, again, I don’t necessarily believe that. Because the markers are re saturated. That means that your options are slim to none. And so you just don’t have anything. It’s like, oh, I’m just gonna be really creative at finding ways to make money.

And that’s what I find with these nurses that work, [00:29:00] live and operate in California. I’m like, how do you live there? And they’re like, I’m just super creative. I like come up with courses and I create these speaking events and I do all these different things that they’re able to make money. And they work their nurse, their RN jobs or whichever, but then they’re able to come up with a real estate side hustle.

And so they’re doing that. And then they teach people how to invest in real estate. And so they’re, it makes you more creative when you’re in that situation. Instead of looking at it, like there’s nothing it’s scorched earth. Ah, there’s, you’ve got no options. So now you’re looking at it like, okay, what can I create?

I gotta find money. I gotta figure this out. And so it just makes you more creative.

Josie Tate: So the toss things that I, we discussed but one to keep and you kind of alluded to this with I think you said the tax deed Wolf was to invest in yourself to invest early and to invest often.

So, , people say that, but like what, what does that mean? Like what are you gonna invest in, invest in things that help you grow, , And that’s what an investment is. You put, you put the money and the [00:30:00] effort and the time now into some, and then you’ll see the rewards and reap the benefits later.

So things that’ll make your life easier. Things that’ll remove burden, that’ll remove stress, , things that you’re not really like great at, and that things that have to get done, but you’d rather, rather not. So you can do, , your be in your creative zone or be in your zone of genius, like invest in the things, that’ll make you a better person. That’s something that I’m, , working through myself, like I’m still, I’m a work in progress. I’m trying to invest in myself every day, , time, money. It’s a journey energy. Yeah. It’s a journey invest often.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: So for the last part, oh, the podcast, it’s the rapid fire question.

I feel like. So Oprah right now that really over, I love that. , I’ve never heard that come out. I’m doing that more often.

You should, you should totally what to you is the best age to be?

Josie Tate: Ooh, the best age. Yeah. Yeah. I’m gonna say right now I’m 39 and I, I. I I’m, my, one of my things is like living in the now

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: what is one [00:31:00] of your favorite board games?

Josie Tate: Favorite board games, monopoly, monopoly deal. Not monopoly the board game, monopoly deal. We play that at least like two to three times a week. It’s supposed to last like 30 minutes. My kids can drag that out to like an hour, but, and they that’s hilarious.

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: Get it. That’s hilarious. Six bucks. Name someone who inspires you.

Josie Tate: Sam. Just Sam, not Samuel

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: The way that you, you describe and you talk about him is a credit to who he is. And so so Sam and he inspires you. Thank you so much for coming onto the podcast and chatting with me about your journey. Where can people find you?

Josie Tate: I am on ceps.com. That’s the website C L I N C E PTs. And I’m also on Instagram I’ll have a course coming out soon. Yeah. So you could join the wait list on the website

Dr. Sandra Pagenta: thanks for listening to the podcast today and I hope that you guys make sure, make sure to [00:32:00] enjoy the journey.